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Mamasapano, Maguindanao Clash

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    PO2 Joanne Daras (center), the fiancee of slain PNP-SAF member PO3 Jeds-In Asjali, weeps at the slain officer’s coffin at his home in Zamboanga City before burial on Wednesday, January 28. Asjali and PO2 Amman Esmila were among the 44 police elite commandos killed during a clash with MILF and BIFF fighters in Mamasapano, Maguindanao on January 25.

    From: Bam Baraguir

    I used to ignore comments from raging keyboard warriors about the peace process; thinking that it won’t matter discussing with people who have so little time researching about facts but have so much time throwing opinions around. But seeing how some people I actually thought were smart and educated enough to understand the situation also fail to understand the context, then perhaps it is time to speak.

    This is going to be lengthy. You are not required to read it.

    WHAT HAPPENED? The PNP SAF is in pursuit of two wanted terrorists, each with million dollar bounty on their heads. Intelligence reports say that the terrorists are hiding in Mamasapano, Maguindanao. To which, the PNP sent its special action force to the area without prior coordination either with the AFP, local PNP, LGU, and MILF.

    QUESTIONS: What is the context? What went wrong? Why does the PNP SAF need to coordinate with these people? Why can’t they go into the area when it is a given in our law that the PNP is the institution to go to when dealing with crimes? We are talking about criminals here, isn’t it the mandate of the PNP to go after them? What does this situation imply? Who should we blame?

    As part of the ceasefire agreement between the Government of the Philippines (GPH) and the MILF, coordination is important to prevent situations like this. SAF should have coordinated either with AFP, local PNP, LGU, and MILF so it wouldn’t have ended like this. Why do they need to coordinate? Because these are areas that are MILF-territories.
    First off, be reminded that there are different armed groups in the Philippines. When you say MILF-territory, it does not mean that the MILF holds supreme control over the area. Davao Province is considered NPA-territory and ZamBaSulTa (Zamboanga-Basilan-Sulu-Tawi-tawi) is MNLF-territory. Surely, you understand that this does not imply that every citizen of Davao Province is an NPA nor every person from ZamBaSulTa is an MNLF, right? When we speak of blahblah-territory, it means that the certain group which it was accredited to holds influence in that area. Hence, when you read newspaper outlets saying that terrorist A is in area B which is a C- territory, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT C HOLDS THE SAID TERRORIST. Okay? Okay.

    That being said, SO WHAT? So what if Mamasapano is MILF-territory? What does the Ceasefire Agreement has to do with this?
    The ceasefire agreement was signed after the all-out war of 2001. The atrocities of said war must not have affected our very opinionated friends hence it was too easy for them to throw their opinions about the entire peace process.
    So anyway, after the war, both sides came into an agreement that they have to stop fighting and cease exchange of fire. The entire agreement is more than a hundred pages but the gist of it is basically these:

    1. Creation of CCCH (Coordinating Committee on the Cessation of Hostilities) and AHJAG (Ad Hoc Joint Action Group). These are two committees comprised of people both from GPH and the MILF to ensure abidance on the Agreement provisions

    2. No MILF or GPH combatant/s is to trespass an MILF or AFP area WITHOUT prior coordination with AHJAG or the GPH or MILF command post in the said area

    3. No GPH or MILF combatant/s is to blatantly carry firearms on a GPH or MILF-determined camp/territory

    4. No MILF or GPH combatant/s is to usurp, threaten, or attack any GPH or MILF base

    Basically, the gist can be summed up in one word: COORDINATION. Like the peace agreement itself to which it is pegged, COORDINATION between the two parties is of utmost importance. Violation of such is a breach to the entire agreement and if the agreement is broken, well, we know what will come next. (To those who do not get it, WAR comes next.)

    When we speak of coordination, it doesn’t mean you coordinate with MILF. You coordinate BOTH with the AFP and MILF through AHJAG. For YEARS, combat operations in the areas of Maguindanao and North Cotabato are done in coordination with AHJAG. Do you remember the MOA-AD war of 2008? Do you know what caused it? Breach of the ceasefire agreement. A group of MILF combatants trespassed GPH territory when they found out that the MOA-AD was rejected by the Supreme Court. This is why after 2008, both the GPH and the MILF are very careful when it comes to this matter.

    It might seem like a lot of hassle to some. Because, seriously, we just need to get that criminal, why do we need to coordinate?

    You need to coordinate because if you do not, you will risk your security and you will die. Everyone, even NGO workers who do not even carry firearms, need to coordinate to ensure their safety when they go to these areas. These places are technically considered conflict-zones. It does not mean that it rains bullets every day there but chances are, it will do so, at any given time if threat happens.Be reminded that these areas are not easily accessible so you cannot reason out that you just happened to pass by that area. If you did not coordinate and you entered the area, the GPH or the MILF will automatically see you as a threat and you will die.

    Imagine yourself (whether a GPH soldier or an MILF combatant, it’s up to you) sitting on your post, drinking coffee at 3am in the morning because it is your turn on guard and you have to be awake. Imagine seeing more than fifty figures from the distance, slowly treading their way to your camp. You immediately pick up your walkie-talkie (IDK what’s the military term for this) and ring up CCCH and AHJAG to ask if these guys were allowed to be at your area at this time of the night. CCCH and AHJAG answers that they do not know and that they were not informed of any operation happening around that time. As a person trained in combat, whether by a national institution like the AFP or an armed group like the MILF, what will come to your mind?

    Surely these are not a bunch of prankster teenagers who thought sneaking up a military base is a good way to pass time, right? And then you also realize that in that area, there are other armed groups residing too (such as your not-so-friendly-neighborhood BIFF guys and other criminal groups).

    THIS IS WHY COORDINATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.

    Oh, okay, Bam. So, does this mean that the PNP cannot go to an area and arrest criminals just because it is an MILF-territory? We are talking about criminals here, isn’t it the mandate of the PNP to go after them?

    YES, it is the mandate of the PNP to go after them and NO, I did not say that the PNP cannot go to an area and arrest criminals. They can surely go there ANYTIME as long as they coordinate. In fact, the commander of the MILF command SAF clashed with got arrested by the CIDG themselves a few years back right at his camp. It’s because CIDG properly coordinated with everyone.

    What if PNP SAF did not want to risk coordinating with MILF because this is a top rank terrorist they’re after?
    That’s okay. They do not need to tell it to the MILF but why is it that even the provincial PNP in the area does not even know about the operation? They are both from the same institution, are they not?

    So, what does this situation imply?

    For one, it implies that there are people sabotaging the peace agreement. How curious is it that for years even before the Comprehensive Agreement on the Bangsamoro (CAB) was signed, no clashes like these transpired between the GPH and MILF but it is only now that people are waiting for the enactment of the Bangsamoro Basic Law (BBL) that all these violence suddenly ensue? What benefit does this incident give to the MILF when now, hearings about the BBL are postponed and people, with the help of the media, will take a hostile stand against them?

    I used to be very cynical of the entire peace agreement, and to be honest, I still am. But after being able to work on the ground and understanding the layers and complexities and all that has been compromised to keep the peace, I have learned when to shut my mouth.

    I am very sad and disturbed about what had happened. Personally, I believe the SAF police officers were brought there for slaughter. Whoever commanded them to go there, given the context and situation of the said area, without prior notice to the AFP and even the municipal PNP itself knows that he is risking the lives of his men. How come the intelligence report they received is so sure that the terrorist is in that area but have missed the fact that said area has two MILF-base camps? How convenient is it that most of the SAF officers were from Cagayan de Oro and Zamboanga which is why they are not aware of the terrain, and thus, easily killed? Were they even aware that the risk they were facing was much heavier than that $5,000,000? Or probably some of them are aware but, of course, how can they disobey a command? What would be of their families, of the waiting wives and excited kids, when they find out that daddy will not go home anymore?

    Dozens of lives are lost in just one night. For what reason?

    Whoever it may be who planned all these to happen, they won. It may seem that the MILF was the victor in this battle but, in actuality, they lost. Because now, this incident has smeared that peace both the GPH and their side had been protecting.

    Years of struggle and hard work of the different stakeholders (the civilians, CSOs, even the academe) to keep that peace… all lost.

    And now, we wait for the media to blow things out of proportion and the raging opinionated anons to wage their online wars.


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    In response to Bam Baraguir by Floyd Gumpal Gonda

    Before anything else let me try to dissect things clearly as per the responses of the people I read on the comments section of my FB page.

    1. The 44 SAF deserved to die because they infringed on the territory of the MILF and BIFF.
    2. The 44 SAF deserved to die because they did not COORDINATE with the MILF.
    3. The 44 SAF deserved to die because they were following the orders of their head that did not put into consideration the above mentioned instances while trying to capture a terrorist.
    4. The 44 SAF deserved to die nonetheless despite the MILF not being its prime target nor the BIFF.
    Now what do we deduce from the above?
    1. The 44 SAF planned to die and just accept anything that their superior said.
    2. The 44 SAF was used by unscrupulous people from the military in order to stop the passing of the bangsamoro basic law.
    3. The 44 SAF was ignorant and stupid of the terrain and the place because they came from other places therefore its their fault that they all died.

    People are saying that the SAF should’ve coordinated peacefully and thus not be dead right away by venturing into an MILF camp.

    Did it mean that the SAF came in blazing guns and shouting obscenities while trying to capture a terrorist?

    Does it mean that anyone as long as they are not MILF be shot on site?

    Why did the MILF not coordinate with the military and ask for their information as well in order to have stopped the massacre while holding off the camps of MILF?

    Did the MILF even bother contacting the government or the military?

    Why should the SAF be the only one who should ask for permission in all this?

    Why did the MILF not clarify everything and just killed them and attacked them and then called it self-defense?

    What is the standard procedure whenever a problem like this arise? I’m pretty sure they already talked about this before.

    And lastly why is a terrorist in an MILF territory?

    Unfortunately a number of people dismiss this intelligence report as false information or just plain failure of intelligence on the part of the SAF.

    I find this very disturbing, the SAF is an elite unit, highly trained in combat and is considered the best of the best, thus their name implies. Does it mean that these elite of the elite unit is also the stupid of the stupid unit?

    It was told that while escaping the SAF ventured into BIFF territory thus the eventual blood bath. If this is so why aren’t the BIFF also shoot at MILF trying to capture them? Why are there no dead people from BIFF brought upon by MILF?

    Should we just relegate this episode in history as a lapse in judgment?

    I am not an expert in the mindanao conflict but as the BBL is gunning (pun intended) for peace I just have a few questions to follow.

    Pray tell how can there be peace when the MILF and other breakaway groups have their own military and they are not surrendering their arms?

    How can there be peace when they want to raise their own flag, and follow their own constitution?

    A number of people will say “You don’t understand because you are not from mindanao and you are not a muslim.”

    Does one only need to be a muslim and live in mindanao in order to ask questions such as these?

    What is so bad about our constitution that they need to create a new one that would suit their needs?

    Muslims can live peacefully in Luzon and the Visayas where people are mostly christians but why can’t they do that as well in Mindanao?


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    In response to Floyd Gumpal Gonda by Bam Baraguir

    Did it mean that the SAF came in blazing guns and shouting obscenities while trying to capture a terrorist?
    – please see paragraph 15 of above post

    Does it mean that anyone as long as they are not MILF be shot on site?
    – if you are carrying firearms, why yes. even different groups from MILF itself had clashed with each other too.

    Why did the MILF not coordinate with the military and ask for their information as well in order to have stopped the massacre while holding off the camps of MILF?
    – the AFP is not aware of the operation

    Did the MILF even bother contacting the government or the military?
    – not explicitly said in reports but it is implied especially that they’ve released a statement saying that SAF did not coordinate. had SAF informed the military or the PNP, AHJAG/CCCH could easily inform MILF that yes, there is coordination.

    Why should the SAF be the only one who should ask for permission in all this?
    – please read paragraph 14.

    Why did the MILF not clarify everything and just killed them and attacked them and then called it self-defense?
    – again, AFP and PNP ARMM were not even aware of the operation. anyway, are you sure that the first fire came from the MILF?

    What is the standard procedure whenever a problem like this arise?
    – ‘whenever a problem like this arise’ — are you implying that things like this are to be expected? I am not aware of the standard procedure but the peace agreement itself is the deterring factor to prevent incidents like this. On why that agreement was breached, that is what we should be asking.

    And lastly why is a terrorist in an MILF territory?
    – please read paragraph 6.

    Does it mean that these elite of the elite unit is also the stupid of the stupid unit?
    – Who said this?

    If this is so why aren’t the BIFF also shoot at MILF trying to capture them? Why are there no dead people from BIFF brought upon by MILF?
    – You speak as if both camps are just meters away from each other.

    Pray tell how can there be peace when the MILF and other breakaway groups have their own military and they are not surrendering their arms?
    – that is what the Normalization Annex is for. Something included in the CAB which is at the risk as of this moment because of this incident.

    A number of people will say “You don’t understand because you are not from mindanao and you are not a muslim.”
    Does one only need to be a muslim and live in mindanao in order to ask questions such as these?
    – YES. And for the last question, if you are from the area and is aware of the context, you would already know the answer to your questions.

    I have a question though. What do you propose that we do next?


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    Sabi ng Moro National Liberation Front

    MNLF ANSWERS

    Q: Buhay pa ba si Marwan?
    A: No. Patay na si Marwan.

    Q: SAF ba ang pumatay kay Marwan?
    A: No. Hindi SAF ang nakapatay kay Marwan. Patay na si Marwan nung dumating ang SAF. Ang mission ng SAF is just to escort the US Agents to authenticate the cadaver kung si Marwan ba talaga.

    Q: Sino ang nag assassinate kay Marwan? American Agent ba?
    A: I will not answer it directly — kung saan nyo una narinig na na-assassinate si Marwan, yun ang source ng primary data ninyo, yun ang grupo na nag assassinate kay Marwan. Kung gusto nyo ng other source, ask the US Embassy kung sino tumawag sa kanila na nag-report na napatay niya na si Marwan. Upon presentation of proof, the US Agents immediately sought escort service from the GPH para ma-abutan pa nila ang katawan kasi within 24 hours ay ililibing na. Kaya nga dali-dali silang pumunta sa area, short notice. Hindi US Agent ang assassin ni Marwan — kung US Agent ehhh hindi na kailangan na puntahan pa ng US-SAF joint contingent for authentication; hit-and-run lang ang gagawin kung US Agent ang assassin.

    Q: Bakit pinatay pa ang SAF na nag escort sa US Agents.
    A: Nung paalis na sila sa area, hinarang sila ng MILF. Upon orders of higher ups, minassacre para gawing pam-pressure ng BBL. The masterminds (politicians upstairs) took advantage of the opportunity. They were killed to push BBL — hindi ba obvious ang statements ng MALAYSIA-PNOY-MILF after the incident?

    Q: re “Politicians Upstair”, is this PNP Chief Purisima?
    A: Purisima is the escape goat, if you notice he escaped already to Saipan. Purisima is not a politician. The BBL is a PNOY-MURAD-RAZAK thing.

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