Mamasapano, Maguindanao Clash

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  • Participant
    #8235

    In response to Bam Baraguir by Floyd Gumpal Gonda

    Before anything else let me try to dissect things clearly as per the responses of the people I read on the comments section of my FB page.

    1. The 44 SAF deserved to die because they infringed on the territory of the MILF and BIFF.
    2. The 44 SAF deserved to die because they did not COORDINATE with the MILF.
    3. The 44 SAF deserved to die because they were following the orders of their head that did not put into consideration the above mentioned instances while trying to capture a terrorist.
    4. The 44 SAF deserved to die nonetheless despite the MILF not being its prime target nor the BIFF.
    Now what do we deduce from the above?
    1. The 44 SAF planned to die and just accept anything that their superior said.
    2. The 44 SAF was used by unscrupulous people from the military in order to stop the passing of the bangsamoro basic law.
    3. The 44 SAF was ignorant and stupid of the terrain and the place because they came from other places therefore its their fault that they all died.

    People are saying that the SAF should’ve coordinated peacefully and thus not be dead right away by venturing into an MILF camp.

    Did it mean that the SAF came in blazing guns and shouting obscenities while trying to capture a terrorist?

    Does it mean that anyone as long as they are not MILF be shot on site?

    Why did the MILF not coordinate with the military and ask for their information as well in order to have stopped the massacre while holding off the camps of MILF?

    Did the MILF even bother contacting the government or the military?

    Why should the SAF be the only one who should ask for permission in all this?

    Why did the MILF not clarify everything and just killed them and attacked them and then called it self-defense?

    What is the standard procedure whenever a problem like this arise? I’m pretty sure they already talked about this before.

    And lastly why is a terrorist in an MILF territory?

    Unfortunately a number of people dismiss this intelligence report as false information or just plain failure of intelligence on the part of the SAF.

    I find this very disturbing, the SAF is an elite unit, highly trained in combat and is considered the best of the best, thus their name implies. Does it mean that these elite of the elite unit is also the stupid of the stupid unit?

    It was told that while escaping the SAF ventured into BIFF territory thus the eventual blood bath. If this is so why aren’t the BIFF also shoot at MILF trying to capture them? Why are there no dead people from BIFF brought upon by MILF?

    Should we just relegate this episode in history as a lapse in judgment?

    I am not an expert in the mindanao conflict but as the BBL is gunning (pun intended) for peace I just have a few questions to follow.

    Pray tell how can there be peace when the MILF and other breakaway groups have their own military and they are not surrendering their arms?

    How can there be peace when they want to raise their own flag, and follow their own constitution?

    A number of people will say “You don’t understand because you are not from mindanao and you are not a muslim.”

    Does one only need to be a muslim and live in mindanao in order to ask questions such as these?

    What is so bad about our constitution that they need to create a new one that would suit their needs?

    Muslims can live peacefully in Luzon and the Visayas where people are mostly christians but why can’t they do that as well in Mindanao?


  • Participant
    #8237

    In response to Floyd Gumpal Gonda by Bam Baraguir

    Did it mean that the SAF came in blazing guns and shouting obscenities while trying to capture a terrorist?
    – please see paragraph 15 of above post

    Does it mean that anyone as long as they are not MILF be shot on site?
    – if you are carrying firearms, why yes. even different groups from MILF itself had clashed with each other too.

    Why did the MILF not coordinate with the military and ask for their information as well in order to have stopped the massacre while holding off the camps of MILF?
    – the AFP is not aware of the operation

    Did the MILF even bother contacting the government or the military?
    – not explicitly said in reports but it is implied especially that they’ve released a statement saying that SAF did not coordinate. had SAF informed the military or the PNP, AHJAG/CCCH could easily inform MILF that yes, there is coordination.

    Why should the SAF be the only one who should ask for permission in all this?
    – please read paragraph 14.

    Why did the MILF not clarify everything and just killed them and attacked them and then called it self-defense?
    – again, AFP and PNP ARMM were not even aware of the operation. anyway, are you sure that the first fire came from the MILF?

    What is the standard procedure whenever a problem like this arise?
    – ‘whenever a problem like this arise’ — are you implying that things like this are to be expected? I am not aware of the standard procedure but the peace agreement itself is the deterring factor to prevent incidents like this. On why that agreement was breached, that is what we should be asking.

    And lastly why is a terrorist in an MILF territory?
    – please read paragraph 6.

    Does it mean that these elite of the elite unit is also the stupid of the stupid unit?
    – Who said this?

    If this is so why aren’t the BIFF also shoot at MILF trying to capture them? Why are there no dead people from BIFF brought upon by MILF?
    – You speak as if both camps are just meters away from each other.

    Pray tell how can there be peace when the MILF and other breakaway groups have their own military and they are not surrendering their arms?
    – that is what the Normalization Annex is for. Something included in the CAB which is at the risk as of this moment because of this incident.

    A number of people will say “You don’t understand because you are not from mindanao and you are not a muslim.”
    Does one only need to be a muslim and live in mindanao in order to ask questions such as these?
    – YES. And for the last question, if you are from the area and is aware of the context, you would already know the answer to your questions.

    I have a question though. What do you propose that we do next?


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    #8379

    Sabi ng Moro National Liberation Front

    MNLF ANSWERS

    Q: Buhay pa ba si Marwan?
    A: No. Patay na si Marwan.

    Q: SAF ba ang pumatay kay Marwan?
    A: No. Hindi SAF ang nakapatay kay Marwan. Patay na si Marwan nung dumating ang SAF. Ang mission ng SAF is just to escort the US Agents to authenticate the cadaver kung si Marwan ba talaga.

    Q: Sino ang nag assassinate kay Marwan? American Agent ba?
    A: I will not answer it directly — kung saan nyo una narinig na na-assassinate si Marwan, yun ang source ng primary data ninyo, yun ang grupo na nag assassinate kay Marwan. Kung gusto nyo ng other source, ask the US Embassy kung sino tumawag sa kanila na nag-report na napatay niya na si Marwan. Upon presentation of proof, the US Agents immediately sought escort service from the GPH para ma-abutan pa nila ang katawan kasi within 24 hours ay ililibing na. Kaya nga dali-dali silang pumunta sa area, short notice. Hindi US Agent ang assassin ni Marwan — kung US Agent ehhh hindi na kailangan na puntahan pa ng US-SAF joint contingent for authentication; hit-and-run lang ang gagawin kung US Agent ang assassin.

    Q: Bakit pinatay pa ang SAF na nag escort sa US Agents.
    A: Nung paalis na sila sa area, hinarang sila ng MILF. Upon orders of higher ups, minassacre para gawing pam-pressure ng BBL. The masterminds (politicians upstairs) took advantage of the opportunity. They were killed to push BBL — hindi ba obvious ang statements ng MALAYSIA-PNOY-MILF after the incident?

    Q: re “Politicians Upstair”, is this PNP Chief Purisima?
    A: Purisima is the escape goat, if you notice he escaped already to Saipan. Purisima is not a politician. The BBL is a PNOY-MURAD-RAZAK thing.

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